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Meißner Tremonia “Strong “N Scottish”

Today is long over due, and I have been meaning to get this out there for at least a month now, but as they say “life gets in the way sometimes”. I’m really excited to talk about today’s soap as it is the “Other” Meißner Tremonia  soap I have used. I had stated in my review of “Dark Lime” from Meißner Tremonia; I felt each of their soaps had a specific skin type in mind when they were made. I also complimented German products as some of the most stringently controlled and tested products in the world, be it a car, boiler, or shaving soap I do not feel they cut any corners. So lets get to it, and talk about some suds !

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Packaging – As with the other offerings from Meißner Tremonia I felt like I was more opening a box that would contain jewelry or, some other precious item. The packaging was for a refill that as you can see in the photo above, is encapsulating the soap in a foam protective form fitted case. The actual box is like I said nothing to say lightly, this is thick; not your typical thin refill box. The label is fairly basic in design but says a lot… it is that German minimalist thing, less is more and the box, basically says Finest Shaving soap with Scotch Whisky and Wool Fat. Keep that in mind down this review a bit. The back also lists a very different ingredient list than “Dark Lime”, again I believe each soap is intended for a specific skin type. We will get to that in a moment. So as far as packaging goes; don’t throw these out, I can think of many things worthy of the protection these boxes can be used for or, recycle them. Either way we are off to a good start !

Scent- This is a very love it or, hate it scent I will not sugar coat that. This is where that back label starts to tell us a lot about what to expect for the scent. The third ingredient is Whiskey ! the other two before it are just an oil and a hardening agent stearic acid as well as both NaOh & KOH salts to make this a shaving soap. Further down the list, but more potent in aroma you see types of wood like Cedar wood, and Juniper wood tar and Lanolin ! These all play a role in the scent you will experience. I would describe this a believe it or, not “like” a smoker used in smoking barbecue ! Similar to a southern pit that is smoke, wood, and most of all whisky ! instantly I was thrown back as I expected to smell only Scotch Whiskey, and that just is not the case. So in this department, I have to say if you were to blind buy this you may be saying “what the heck did I just get”. Please do not think I am saying it is a bad aroma, actually, I am saying it is way more complex then just whiskey….this is a smokey, woodsy, and whiskey scented soap where these scents blend wonderfully to create what most whiskey lovers would probably find to make a very fine libation. Do not drink this soap……I promise a different result from actual whiskey will ensue.

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Lather-  Again different soaps for different skin types and this is evident again by simply reading the back label ! The lather is absolutely on par with some of the best soaps I have used. If I was to compare it to it’s same brand “Dark Lime” I would describe the two as complete opposites, “Dark Lime” was wonderful so don’t misinterpret my words, but “Strong ‘N Scottish” was more my type of lather ! Cushioning is an understatement, easily no matter what brush or, water type I threw at this soap it was fairly consistent; Thick, Creamy, and aromatic with the scents mentioned above staying with the lather throughout the shave. Also worthy of mention is the reddish tint to the lather, which is mild and easily seen while making the lather as a result no doubt to the red clay they use (again on the label) I found it unique. Post shave this lather left my face super soft due to the lanolin that is in this specifics soaps formulation. I believe we are all starting to see with this brand each soap is formulated differently, where as “Dark Lime” is great for oily skin, “Strong ‘N Scottish” is meant to leave your face fully moisturized. It does however omit the Shea butter that is in other offerings. Just my opinion, but I’ll take Lanolin any day.

Slickness/Glide- What can I say here….. it is fairly straight forward. I would have to say aside from Scent, this is the only other place YMMV. For me as a primarily straight razor shaver, Glide is without a doubt your number one concern. Meißner Tremonia  has done an adequate job creating a slick soap…I can’t really say much more, except, make your lather properly ! Too much water or, too hot of water will make this a thinned out mess that is rendered sub- par, not enough water, and you will have an airy and again sub-par lather with little to no slickness. I always recommend start drier, and add water to your desired consistency. With a DE or SE razor….I would think you would get great results fairly fast, and without much thought. I am not a DE shaver nor, do I put little thought into shaving with a straight razor held to my neck ! I make sure the lather is slick as can be, and this soap absolutely delivers ! Just take your time to “learn” the soaps nuances, once you dial it in there are few soaps that I find commercially that will come close to  Meißner Tremonia “Strong ‘N Scottish”.

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In Conclusion-  No matter how slick or great a soap performs, you need to enjoy using it; on the most basic of level. That most basic level are two things “Do you like how it smells” you don’t want to gag through your shave, and “Does the lather hold up” no razor burn ! So based on this, same as with other offerings by literally every soap maker, there is a place in someone’s den for a Smokey Woodsy and Whiskey soap ! I would personally find this a great winter or fall fragrance as it just feels like that to me. Many could argue it reminds them of barbecue, and they would be 100% correct. Scent is subjective and to my senses I found this soap to meet the mark that I would say it’s worth a try, but remember the dominant notes ! this is not a mint julep !

Secondly the lather, as said above and again every soap has its own ways, and this is no exception. I found this soap when started a bit drier and worked into a rich & creamy lather with tons of glide was simple ! 2-3 minutes and I was on my way to a BBS shave !

My last thoughts to convey are pairings being this is such a unique blend of scents is what to use for an aftershave. Well you have a few options. My first reaction is to make sure you know Meißner Tremonia makes after shave splashes and lotions. They unfortunately do not say “Strong ‘N Scottish” or, “Dark Lime” though what they do offer will compliment their entire range of soaps as all the after shaves have a wood note combined with beer or, wine etc. or, even a unscented version. I am a fan of unscented with this particular soap as its just that unique. If you wanted to get adventurous a fine musk or, even a Bourbon infused bay rum will work well with this….Just don’t rub Scotch whiskey on yourself….. try explaining that to the police !

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Would I recommend this- YES , but please judge the soap against itself not it’s name as this is a very complex soap with way more than whiskey in its vein.

You can find Meißner Tremonia  at these distributors

www.straighrazordesigns.com

http://www.meissner-tremonia.de/

 

SOTD: May 5th, 2015 “Cinco de Mayo”

To a traditional wet-shaver, the act of shaving often is much deeper than just a mundane task;  of removing stubble from your chin or, how fast can “I get this over with”. For the great majority, it is a very personal, and unique experience to each of us;  be it the connection to our forefathers, or mothers as the case may be or, as deep as a connection to remember the loved ones;  we have lost over the years. Today I dedicate my shave to my late Great Grandparents that raised me. Today they would have been 100 and 101 years old….I actually have razors older than that……yeah we collect as well 🙂

I of course had a mother and father, but I was so close to my Great Grandparents, and Grandmother I lived with them, I have a penchant for traditional ways, and continuing the “old” ways lest they go the way of the forgotten road.  Now to get to the chase, and also to be a bit personal I lost most of my family by the time I was 28, a mere 10 years ago….this is how I choose to honor them, and remember all they have taught me.

Traditional shaving is not for everyone, but those who connect; it is a intense love for the art. All this said there is no need for me to elaborate on the gear……it is trivial. I would however again say this is dedicated to my family who both were born May 5th, 1914 & 1915 ! one year apart on the same day. What were the chances.

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  • Pre: Clarisonic Aria with normal brush & Hydro gel cleanser
  • Prep: Hot shower with The Body shops Tea Tree face wash
  • Soap: Tabac
  • Brush: Semogue 830 boar (fully splayed and beautiful)
  • Razor: Vintage Dubl Duck “GoldEdge”
  • Lather type: Face and Bowl hybrid
  • Moustache type: Handle bar
  • Wax & Pomade: Lockhart’s & Reuzel Green (medium hold)
  • Post Shave: Cold water rinse, alum
  • After Shave: Tabac splash lotion
  • Balm/Other: RazoRock Zi’ Peppino & Alt Innsbruck Emulsion combination
  • Fragrance: Penhaligon’s Opus 1870

SOTD: May 3rd, 2015 “My Sunday Shave”

Happy Sunday everyone ! That’s the good news, the bad is tomorrow is Monday; so let’s make the best of the day. Today’s shave was excellent, I’ll be the first to admit I find French point razors to be the most unforgiving blade for me, but today not a single problem, and simply a smooth shave.

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As far as artisan soap makers I’ve made no question I love Barrister & Mann as they truly have unique fragrance as well as outstanding performance, and this is rare as usually artisan soaps while some are great are “safe” and fall into that “safe” Bay Rum, fruit, mint, or very recognizable fragrances. Barrister & Mann is not that soap they do NOT play it safe William Carius the owner/soaper behind B&M soaps is aside from a excellent soap maker, a true artisan perfumer that creates unique blends that push that envelope, I consider B&M a “true” artisan soap in every sense.

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Combined with that Thater 4292/4 2-band brush set in a beautiful Cocobolo wood handle I had an effortless shave and great face feel and cushion. Thater brushes are hard to beat unless you have a custom brush made, but factory made Thater sits pretty much at the top 3 brush makers in the world, of course YMMV, and this is my opinion though I know many a traditional shaver that also set Thater as the bar to compare all others.

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Everyone thanks for spending a few moments with me, so enjoy your Sunday, and as always Shave On !

  • Pre: Clarisonic Aria with normal head and cleanser
  • Prep: Hot shower with Musgo Glyce “Amber” pre-shave soap
  • Croap: Barrister & Mann “Cheshire”
  • Brush: Thater 4292/4 2-band silvertip set in Cocobolo wood
  • Razor: Ralf Aust 6/8 Shoulderless French point straight razor with ornate spine work
  • Lather type: Bowl
  • Moustache style: Handlebar
  • Wax & Pomade: Fire House Dark & O’Douds Heavy Hold Vegan all natural
  • Post Shave: Cold water rinse
  • After shave: Barrister & Mann “Cheshire” Kyovu
  • Balm/Other: Anthony Logistics ingrown hair treatment
  • Fragrance: Dark aged Patchouli applied to pulse points

SOTD: May 2nd, 2015 “RazoRockin’ with my Boker SS”

Great shave today ! I’ve used a lot of soaps and creams throughout my 24 year tenure as a traditional shaver, and as far as “artisan” or, in this instance sub-contracted soaps RazoRock has never once let me down. Today’s choice; going with that unique Captain’s Choice bay rum scent made by RazoRock I had nothing less then a completely smooth shave with one of the best bay rums on the market (discounted as of 5/2/015), and literally sealed the deal with Captain’s Choice Cat O’ Nine Tails after shave: Feel The Burn ! None of this would be possible without great hardware like my Boker 6/8 Silver Steel honed by the true Honemeister himself Lynn Abrams, and of course one of my favorite brush’s of all time the Simpson’s X2L “Colonel” this was the brush that changed it all for me; Thanks a lot Simpson’s/Vulfix now I have Brush Acquisition disorder 🙂 ! Great way to start the weekend, Shave on everyone ! – Aaron

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Pre: Clarisonic Aria with normal brush and hydrogel cleanser

Prep: Hot Shower with Clinique face bar for oily skin

Croap: RazoRock “Captain’s Choice” Bay Rum

Brush: Simpson’s X2L “Colonel”

Razor: 6/8 Boker Silver Steel

Lather type: American Stonecraft bowl from Smith’s Cheese farm

Moustache type: Handlebar

Wax & Pomade: Joe Grooming compound & Shiner Gold WB Heavy Hold

After shave: Captain’s Choice “Cat O’ Nine Tails”

Balm: Viktor & Rolf  ” Spice Bomb” milk

Fragrance: Viktor & Rolf  “Spice Bomb”

 

 

SOTD: May 1st, 2015 “St. James of London”

Let the Fun Begin ! SOTD: May 1st, 2015

Pre: Hot Shower with Clarisonic Aria with Deep Pore head and cleanser
Cream: St. James of London “Black Pepper & Lime”
Brush: Custom Raymond Bukaty​ silvertip brush
Razor: RazoRock Stealth V3
Blade: Gillette 7 O’clock black Super Platinum (4)
Lather: Direct face lather
Moustache type: Handlebar
Wax & Pomade: Proraso moustache wax & Reuzel Pink Heavy Hold
Post shave: Cold water rinse
After Shave: Captain’s Choice “Lime”
Balm/Other: St. James of London “Black Pepper & Lime” gel
Fragrance: Penhaligon’s Blenheim Bouquet (Perfect Pairing !)

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Such a GREAT shave today ! of course there will be full reviews of ALL (SJOL) creams and even pomade this month, but in a few words, The “Black Pepper and Lime” cream was like being in the Caribbean ! So many great memories from this scent; not to mention slick as can be;  Shave on everyone

Meissner & Tremonia “Dark Lime”

Today I am very excited to get this review out to everyone. I have literally put this brand “Meissner Tremonia” through the fire using everything from, Double Edge razors, Straight razors, and even water typing with distilled versus tap water to really give this soap……well,  a really hard time to be blunt.

I have found that in many fields Germany is the gold standard…. I promise you if it is made in Germany they thought about every detail, and it was done purposely…and from first hand trying, do not disagree as you will not win, so I really really tried this brand to its maximum. Originally I was going to review both M&T soaps I have “Dark Lime” and “Strong n’ Scottish” together, but they are so very different this was not possible. These are distinct soaps with IMHO two very different skin types they are intended for. So enough fluff let’s get to the business of it shall we !

Packaging- Well only in Germany will you get a refill puck that is packaged better than most jewelry boxes. The soap weighing in at 95 grams comes in a very industrial almost Gothic appealing box with I believe a phoenix (bird) and the words Feinste Rasierseife….. or, Finest shaving soap if my German is correct. This 95 gram puck is securely held in place by a black Styrofoam form,  that is molded to fit snugly around that finest soap. I am getting away from “scores”, but I will say this is top-notch packing , I would have zero reservations about the protective nature of this, which in turn tells me how much this soap actually means to “them”.

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Appearance- This is a unique puck to say the least. It has a unique matte finish that I have never seen in any soap before this. It intrigued me as it reminded me of a patina …also the company name almost seemed to be carved into the soap and branded with the name and logo. The puck was perfectly rounded and actually I felt bad to use it as it was so nice to look at. I knew after a few uses that logo and finish would be gone. The best way I can describe the look is almost like stone.

 

Scent- Well the name says it all Lime ! no huge surprise there. Where it is interesting is there is a floral bouquet that is mingling behind that upfront lime, in the next sections I will get into how things interact, but not a whole lot to say then a very apparent lime note that has a back note of bitter floral accords. I suppose that may be part of the dark ; other than the color of the puck itself.

 

 

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Interesting points – This is a true lime soap, I mean this as in the ingredients it lists the actual lime oil, not a fragrance oil, but the essential oil of lime. This is important to note as lime has a natural degreasing property and also a tannic and unique feel that makes your mouth pucker,  and your skin as well. Also in the soap are Talc, and black clay ! The talc was very unique and I believe for appearance the clay however,  was to add slickness back into the soap. The clay along with the added glycerin make it so this has a stable lather and feels great on your skin bringing moisture back into your face.

*** a little trick*** – this soap is probably best for those with oily skin. Make your lather as normal, and lather up. actually use this lather to “wash” your face, then rinse, and there you go the oil has been stripped from your face and your ready for that shave.

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Lather- As I said above I really put this through the ringer and here is the bottom line. This soap is great it is stable and it works in all water and with all brushes I threw at it ! I will say the lather was most comfortable with my harder water, using my Thater 4292/4 2-band brush and also at a lower temperature appx. 80 degrees. Yes I actually went that far with this ! Next would be spring water at room temperature with a Boar brush, again these are my findings YMMV and opinions of course differ. The lather also not that it effects anything is unique in color almost a  light grey coloration and tolerates water well….I would not call this a water hungry soap by any means and is tolerant of little water for those who prefer a more paste like lather over a more cushioned lather. Now what is a lather without a razor ?

Glide- Here is the one place I would remind every one of my first few sentences. The Germans do things on purpose so my next words are intentional and meaningful so listen carefully as this is not an insult. The soap itself is not very slick, That is due to the natural lime oils and the degreasing nature of lime. Now that said I used DE Razors and Straight razors (my preferred) method. Now I just said the glide was mediocre, I have had worse…much worse. To my surprise my straight razor had zero hang ups and the blade was supported by the excellent cushion this soap produced, so where it lacked in being crazy slick it was ultra cushioning…..looks and feel were very deceiving. I did find I preferred a straight razor over a DE, but by no means did I have any issues with any razor and having a smooth and comfortable shave. The other positive is how well this soap rinsed clean, I personally hate soaps I have to rinse my face for what feels like 10 minutes to get it clean, this soap again due to the degreasing nature of lime, rinsed in moments ! See I told you the Germans know what they are doing 🙂

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Post shave feel and final thoughts – The post shave feel again in my opinion is geared towards that person that tends to have oily skin, This soap does not contain any humectants other than glycerin and a few essential oils that do not appear to be saponified. I would say this soap is by no means drying, but do not expect a Lanolin type post shave feel either, I would put the post shave at an even keel with any other soap on the market that is not marketed for that lanolin  “feel”. As I above said,  really do however love how clean rinsing this soap is, to me that alone is a selling point, especially when time is a premium in the morning.

 

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My final impression of this soap was overall positive. Is it my Holy Grail soap…..well no, do I really like certain aspects absolutely ! It has a wonderful aroma of a true lime scent with undertones of darker floral tones and uses some interesting ingredients like Talc & Clay for slickness,  and to add to your overall experience.  Would I recommend “Dark Limes” from Meissner  Tremonia absolutely ! mine came from the only US distributor I am aware of though they do sell online. If you live in the USA visit www.straightrazordesigns.com  as they have this and a few other flavors as well ! I can’t wait to talk about their Strong N’ Scottish soap !

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Until then enjoy your shaves, keep your blades sharp and Shave on ! – Aaron

 

 

SOTD: April 4th, 2015 getting my “Ducks” in a row

Today’s shave; similar to yesterday was with a new soap today from Tiki Bar soaps.  This soap in question is none other than the new “The Kilted Tiki” which was a St. Patrick’s day release with strong accords of Peat moss and a very smooth whisky note that is very unique. Again I am now on use number two, and I will not review a soap before three uses. I will say however I love my Dubl Duck razor ! Today’s “Satin Edge” was bought from none other than Jaime Cobos about a year ago. I did some work to this blade and I must say of all my vintages the Ducks are just excellent shavers !

The Omega 63185 Black badger had the perfect scritch to softness ratio for today’s Face lathered shave and made a wonderful lather to say the least…. this is one of those brushes; you do not have to spend a fortune to get a great brush. Finally, without reviewing the soap I used a very unique combination as this is a very unique soap. Fine Accruements Clean Vetiver, and then Crabtree & Evelyn’s Nomad balm. This all led to such a wonderful shave, what I would consider the entire reason for traditional shaving; pure enjoyment.

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  • Pre: Clarisonic Aria with sensitive head and Nivea face wash
  • Prep: Hot Shower with HTGAM “ATG” pre-shave soap
  • Soap: Tiki Bar Soaps ” The Kilted Tiki”
  • Brush: Omega 63185 black badger brush
  • Razor: Vintage 5/8 Dubl Duck Perlduck “Satin Edge”
  • Lather type: Face
  • Moustache type: Handlebar
  • Wax and Pomade: Got 2 Be Glued & Murray’s Superior
  • Post shave: Cold water rinse, Alum
  • After Shave: Fine “Clean Vetiver”
  • Balm: Crabtree & Evelyn “Nomad”
  • Fragrance: Penhaligon’s Opus 1870

 

 

SOTD: April 3rd, 2015 here come the Ducks !

I recently bought 3 new soaps, I also have a rule about reviewing anything especially a soap; that I must use it at least 3 times before I’ll even give an initial impression. Today’s shave made the second shave for Soap Commander’s “Renewal” fougere. The rest of this shave was great my Dubl Duck “Goldedge” is just amazing, the Mother Earth scuttle kept my lather warm, and the more I use a scuttle the more I learn temperatures really do make a difference (read this as don’t use too hot of water; warm is more than sufficient).  Lastly the Plisson synthetic is IMO at best adequate….many people love this brush as the brush of the “Gods” which I have issue calling anything.  Instead of focusing on what I don’t like I’d rather say the brush is super soft and despite other adversity does make a very nice lather. Enjoy the photo I hope my picture speaks more than I wrote, and one more use and Soap Commander’s “Renewal” is getting its review just in time for spring !

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  • Pre: Clarisonic Aria with Deep pore cleaning brush and cleanser
  • Prep: Hot shower with HTGAM “ATG” pre-shave soap & HTGAM Butter pre-shave balm
  • Soap: Soap Commander “Renewal” Fougere
  • Brush: Plisson synthetic
  • Razor: Vintage Dubl Duck Perlduck 5/8 “GoldEdge”
  • Lather type: Scuttle “Mother Earth”
  • Moustache type: natural handlebar
  • Wax & Pomade: Pinaud Brown & Joe Grooming compound
  • Post shave: Cold water rinse & Alum
  • After Shave: Thayer’s Witch Hazel & glycerin mix
  • Balm/Other: Soap Commander “Renewal” menthol balm
  • Fragrance: Gucci Guilty Black in the A.M. & Azzaro- Azzaro Pour Homme aromatic fougere

Orange you glad I shaved today ? 4/2/2015

Spring, it’s in the air folks in the north east of the United States of America, and I can’t wait being blunt until spring and summer.  We’ve had one heck of a winter to say the least !  So that brings us up to today, and a unusually warm day perfect for  that citrus aroma to fill the air in anticipation for the real thing, I must say the artisans here did a wonderful job recreating this near 100% Orange accord and shave, and IMHO all these items,  are top shelf ; and worth you taking a look at. Shave on everyone ! -Aaron

 

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  • Pre: Clarisonic Aria with sensitive brush head and hydrogel cleanser
  • Prep: Hot shower with Clinique face bar mixed with Andalou citrus scrub
  • Soap: Tiki Bar “Land Locked”
  • Brush: Vie-Long 12750 65%-35% Mane-Tail ratio
  • Razor: Ralf Aust 6/8 Spanish point in Olive Wood scales
  • Lather type: Face
  • Moustache type: Handlebar
  • Wax & Pomade: Pinaud brown & Joe Grooming Compound
  • Post Shave: Cold water rinse, alum, Anthony Logistics IGHT
  • After Shave: Fine “L’Orange Noir”
  • Balm: TFS Bergamotto Neroli & Andalou Vitamin C cream
  • Fragrance:  Thiery Mugler – A*MEN  “Ultra Zest”

Shave in reverse ! and some new fragrances.

So I spent some $$$ today …. on what I am calling my reverse shave….. meaning I have started a new way of shaving….starting at the end and working to the beginning….in layman’s terms start with the EDT(P)or (C) then pick your balm and aftershave….then soap and brush and finally razor and method of prep…. preferably layering all variables to come out with the perfect shave. If you know where you want to end ….it’s easier to know where to start right ? who said insanity doesn’t have it’s place !! So this was what I bought today….. I will start with the most controversial and go to the most accepted I guess……

Thiery Mugler Ultra Zest

Thiery Mugler : Ultra Zest
This is a A*MEN variant… like all A*MEN DNA EDT’s you have that gourmand (food like) animalistic and sensual musky aroma but Ultra Zest the 2015 limited edition is the first to put a strong Orange citrus accord in that DNA. At first I HATED this scent…. so one dimensional and linear… I could not tell the top notes to the base… it was just A*MEN with some OJ for breakfast. Well today 100ml found its way into my house….. I don’t know how or, when, but I now can pick out those subtle nuances and I found a soap that matches perfectly ! Tiki Bar soaps Land Locked…. it is a great match….again work from the end forward. Also for 3.4 ounces or, 100ml for a LE Mugler EDT $90 is not a bad deal. This of all the special editions I would say will probably never come back…. so I do not regret this buy at all.

ADG Essenza

Next up a more daring, but safe buy…. in the mostly Aquatic family Giorgio Armani’s famous Aqua di Gio……., but I decided to get the eau de Parfum Essenza version….. described by the house as the more refined sophisticated and truer to the original with wood notes as well as EDP strength and sillage…. this falls actually under the Woody aquatic family and whilst being a summer scent that wood note makes it really a 3 season scent. My soap of choice for this would be D.R. Harris Windsor or, Catie’s Bubbles LPV.

Chanel Platinum Egoiste

Finally and probably my favorite of the three I bought was Chanel Platinum Egooiste…..from the opening to the full dry down, I love this scent. It opens with strong floral notes of rosemary, Orange, Lavender and Geranium followed with Jasmine and then finishing with Oakmoss, Vetiver, Petigrain, Sandalwood and Cedar …making this a woodsy floral musk by definition. This is a no fooling around heavy hitter that will last a long time….. as they say you can never go wrong with Chanel either men or, women. I would personally in my reverse engineering would marry well with a few of my favorite combinations…..Barrister & Mann Vetyver Santal….or, Cheshire… It would sit well with commercial soaps like St. James of London Mandarin and Patchouli or, cedarwood and Clary sage…. this is a versatile scent to say the least.

Bottom line working backwards is sometimes a great way to shave… it’s always good to know your destination before you hit the road !